Dr. Joseph Rosado is the author of “Hope and Healing”, co-owner of MedSurg Health Institute (a behavioral health clinic in Orlando, F), the president and CEO of International Medical Consultants, and the co-Medical Director for Minorities 4 Medical Marijuana. We discuss the experiences of Dr. Rosado’s clients with cannabis and CBD for Heart Health.
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Today's guest is dr. Joseph Rosado MD from Florida, and he's focused on heart health, and he's recently written a book called hope and healing. So hope you enjoy the show.
With nutrition degree and then I went to medical school and then after medical school, I went to I went ahead and got an MBA in Healthcare Management. So in some way shape or form I've been involved in medicine since the age of 16. Great and you if I read correctly as well, you have some Chiropractic in your background as well to write. I went to chiropractic school after being a cath lab technician and before going to medical school.
Yeah, so I'm always interested in the combinations of those things because it's a holistic approach that I'm sure you bring forward. What was what got you into looking at cannabis as part of the solutions and that you're bringing your patients
when I was in medical school Believe It or Not. Of course, I went to medical school outside of the United States. I briefly learned about the endocannabinoid system. And it was a very small paragraph and then immediately they went into all the whole toxicology and how bad can it this was when I got home. I pulled out my Goodman and Gilman which is really the pharmacological Bible and read up on Cannabis sativa. I put it in my mental Rolodex to remind me, you know that at some future point that it may serve a purpose as medicine.
And then in 2010 one of my best friends in Arizona reached out to me and asked me to be the medical director for his dispensary because it's the law had just passed in Arizona and a medical doctor had to be the medical director for the dispensary or naturopath in Arizona because that's our paths have A certain levels of Freedom there and and I was all set to go and get started but his wife stopped the project because our kids at that time were teenagers his son is a is a week older than my twin daughters and you know in her mind it was like well, you know, we're telling our kids to abstain. But yeah, we're going to get involved in the medical cannabis industry. And so I called her up and I'm like look, you know, this isn't Joe and Don selling weed on the street corner, you know, this is Dr. Dirt, and dr. Asado but you know it ended at that point and then four years later in the State of Florida where I live in practice. I saw John Morgan advertising or the campaign amendment to so I sent them an email and said I'm in position. I'm an advocate. How do I get involved and 24 hours later? I was speaking with campaign manager and a week later on the I was on the bureau speakers and
We just went off to the races I participated in a lot of dog and pony shows explaining the use of medical cannabis and the decriminalization and using it for medical purposes Etc. 2014 in November. We failed so we went back to the drawing board and in November 2016 it passed but by the time it passed we had laws on the books already for Senate Bill 1030, which is the Compassionate Care Act which allowed for high CBD to be recommended to patients And in that which was in the books June of 2014 and then in June of 2016, they added the right to try act. So in August, I was the first in the greater Central Florida area to recommend a high CBD low THC product to a 35 year old female at that time with brain tumor and then three months later. I was the first in the State of Florida to recommend whole medical cannabis and one-to-one CBD THC ratio to a in year old that had a stage for head and neck tumor and I was on the news. I was on TV I was in the newspaper or the radio and that like practice booms and from that point forward. I wean myself off of primary care and got involved solely in medical cannabis practice.
Wow, congratulations. It's it's inspiring to hear. Are you maybe tell us give me an our listeners an idea of some of the stories that you've seen that you've been involved with? I think really this is what one of the goals of the what I'm trying to do here is to really educate and share stories and open minds and you know, I think the stories are often the best way to do that and if you don't mind maybe just give us an example or two.
Of some of the first things that come to mind with regards to the people that you've been able to have success with. Well, certainly that young men 15 year old when he came to me he was on a morphine pump. He was already in hospice. He'd been to st. Jude's twice maybe three times, but I know for sure twice and he had been a part of a clinical trial there and when he went the you know the second or third time, they pretty much told the parents. Look, we've got nothing more for your son. So this is pretty much it. So when they return to Florida they immediately put he was in hospice. And so he was on Hospice Care on a morphine pump getting 16 milligrams of morphine infused into his frail little body.
Plus he had the capability of doing using it on demand getting an additional eight milligram bolus if the pain was so bad. He had a hospital bed in his bedroom and all that. I'll did was lay in this hospital bed drooling and looking at his crotch because you know 16 milligrams of morphine and somebody that weighs less than hundred pounds soaking wet is an atrocity. And so when Mom agreed to you know start this whole process and we got them on the Cannabis within one month. We reduced the amount of morphine that he was getting from 16 milligrams to 8 milligrams. So we literally Cut it in half. He was now verbal he was engaging with the family. He was living in a sitting in the living room with his mom stepped at his brother and his sister. He was the best man at his brother's wedding. He danced with his sister at his brother's wedding, you know, this is stuff and no though. He did pass away in February the following year what that entire family will take to their grave. Is the fact that from November until February they had their little brother back, you know, he was out and about and doing what he is supposed to be doing as a 15 year old kid, right that's amazing. It's such a good good story, you know, a lot of people especially with cancer, you know, that's it's not always, you know, America miraculous cure, you know that it being can abbess or CPD, you know, you see but you often see a lot where the stories are very similar to where the the time that you did have was maximized and therefore, you know Priceless in terms of what the CBD or the canvas might do for cancer and that sort of situation. I think one of the things that I when I read about you before this is one of the topics I think I saw you talking about it somewhere else or to conference. Perhaps was CBD and heart health or cannabis and heart. Yes, that was very controversial. Oh, yeah, so tell me about that. Oh, yeah. Well because cannabis we've gotten the corner on pain chronic pain.
The number one reason patients come to our to our office and pretty much nationally from what I hear from. My colleagues is chronic non-malignant pain or chronic malignant pain pain associated with cancer pain associated with osteoarthritis rheumatoid arthritis lupus It's fibromyalgia, etc. Etc. You know we see that all day long but to go outside of the box and discuss about a condition that is a condition that has been cornered by the cardiologist and the internist where this is my domain and if anything happens with the heart, you either need medications or you need procedures like an angioplasty or valuable classy or anything like that and if that doesn't Of the you need surgery, you know, it's been cornered by that time the market and then for me to come around and say well, you know, what? Why don't we discuss about the endocannabinoid system and the heart and how there are receptors in the heart and it was like, wow what I'm pissed off a few people.
Well, then, you know, it's not always bad always certainly was not it was not bad reaction. Right. So what tell us about that give us a little bit more about how that's working, you know with CBD and there's that receptors in the heart or forgive me if it's cannabis are you know, either way I kind of uses the to interchangeably since CBD is cannabis exactly. Thank you very much.
I appreciate you saying that just obviously the non-intoxicating form. But anyway, tell us about cannabis and heart health and in terms of how it works.
Well, there are receptors in the hard way. Our CB1 and CB2 receptors found in the heart and it you know in animal studies they found that for example, once someone uses cannabis, especially in the inhalation form. It works very intimately with the heart because what happens is they get what's called a like a reflex, tachycardia the heart rate increases and then but at the same time the blood pressure drops because of the relaxation that it occurs, but also it has a basil Dilation component it opens up the blood vessels. Therefore if my opening up the blood vessels, it lowers the blood pressure. So now you've got this opposing reaction going on heart rate increases blood pressure decreases and for the naive patient that uses, you know medical cannabis when they do when they do that they feel that sensation and if it's too high or too potent of a chemo bar too high amount of THC they freaked out and that's
Where they go into that Greening outside of things where they become paranoid to get the palpitations their mouth gets dry. They begin to hallucinate they become you know, their pupils dilate and and of dialing 911 when all in reality they need to do is take some additional CBD which would block The partially blocked that CB1 receptor and the patient would now no longer have the effect of the TAC the adverse. Of the THC but the benefit of the THC so that's the first thing that happens, you know in that inhalation process, but as far as the inflammation and the antioxidant components of the biggest problem with disease in our bodies is inflammation and inflammatory process you have inflammation in the joint. It's arthritis if you have inflammation in the heart, then you've got some type of cardiac. Problem cardiac issue and the more information you have the possibility of having enough structure and inclusion in the blood vessels. Then that is going to cause a stress oxidation is going to stress out the system. Well Studies have shown that by incorporating cannabis in the form of CBD THC as well as all the other quite Okinawa noise. It supports that oxidative stress. And what oxidative stress is Imagine. Rust on your vehicle or rust on anything that's metal. This oxidative stress is rust on your blood vessels on your tissues and by incorporating this cannabis into your body it revert it stops that rusting process but can also reverse it. And that's the beauty of it.
Great. Do you work with patients today on these on these things with regards to heart health?
Oh, I work with yeah. I mean, we you know since 2016 to present we've managed a little over 4,000 patients in you know over those four years and the important thing to understand is that it's a multifactorial situation go I do not immediately take their blood pressure. Way or their cholesterol medication way or anything like that. We work in conjunction, but you know as I mentioned because of the inflammation the anti inflammatory processes the Cannabis it helps to reduce triglycerides and help reduce bad cholesterol in normalizes blood sugar. It doesn't make people as insulin resistant.
So now we're reversing metabolic syndromes. You know reducing blood pressure reducing the amount of insulin. They having to take reducing the amount of oral anti-diabetic agents that they have to take and so it's not uncommon for me every six and a half months when I have to by state law see a patient that I asked them what has changed since the last time I saw you, you know, are you still on the same medications? What have you stopped using? What are you now using and invariably they will go through a list of three. Medications that they are no longer taking from anti-anxiety anti-depression all the way to blood pressure medication cholesterol medication and diabetes medications and a few of them have told me you know, that their primary care physicians have wean them off of their blood pressure medication because the blood pressures were so low and the study was done just with CBD on individuals that were not hypertensive did not have a history. If high blood pressure, they gave them 600 milligrams of CBD and they found that it drops their blood pressure by 5 to 10 millimeters of mercury, both systolic and diastolic top and bottom numbers.
And these are people that are not pathological imagine the effect on people that are pathological that have an actual disease and so you know that's rewarding to do that in conjunction with normalizing blood pressures and blood sugar's were also Them lose weight because you know, you've got a one of the final cannabinoids th CV that works on the GPR 55 receptor that helps lower body weight and losing that Central adiposity or that Central fat reduces, you know, help them regain their health their energy. Now, they're active they're able to exercise their riding their bicycles their swimming and being that I'm in Florida, you know, it's there's no winner here. There's no reason why people can't Bo and in the summertime when it's you know, a hundred degrees with a hundred percent humidity you know, you could always be doing something or wait for the sun to come down a little bit and then go on walk or run or ride your bike or so, there's different activities that lend themselves to supporting what I'm doing with the kiddos right now great.
Thanks for that. That's very enlightening. Tell us about your book.
I think you've got a book called hope and healing. Is that right? Yes, I do. This is it is this isn't live. I mean, this is a video. This is audio, right? Cuz I'm gonna Flash the hook. Now we have both you can yeah, you can Flash it. That's cool.
Alright, so that's the book hoping healing the case for cannabis written by me it with the forward written by the gentleman that names the first and the cannabinoid Professor New York anoosh he named an end of my in 1992 the shulam discovered it and Professor a new name. A bit and we and I met two years ago at an event in Columbia and it was interesting because it's one of those serendipitous stories where you're standing in line getting ready to be interviewed and I hear this gentleman ahead of me that got it at speaking English but has a very strong accent and they're going to interview him the person that was interviewing him did not speak any English they were going to bring in a translator. nice, you know I went to the guy that was putting on the event and said look, let me translate for him because the translator you bring to him translating English to Spanish or Spanish to English or English to Spanish is one thing translating medical terminology is a completely different animal talking about cannabis is even even if that's a unicorn so forget it. So he's no doctor. I don't feel comfortable having you, you know translate. It's like look, don't worry about it. I'm fluent. It's okay. So the gentleman here's this Exchange. Jenny turns around and says thank you. And as he says thank you and I look at its face and then I see his name his badge and like oh my God proposed to her news is like, you know that meeting Jesus Christ, you know for a Christian they oh my God, it's you so there. was so cool, you know, give him a big hug. Thank them for everything that he had done etcetera requested a photo immediately. So no one could you know, so I wouldn't forget later on. On and then I did the translation. We hit it off. We you know exchange stories. I asked him some questions Eve was very very just giving with his knowledge and his just his heart and we had dinner and then by the end of the weekend, I had posted a bunch of pictures all over social media and the editor of my other guy that was helping me edit my book and publish. It said, you know, you need someone to write your forward. Why don't you talk to him? You saying you need a beta reader? Why don't you ask him and like well the worst that can happen is him saying? No, so I approached them first to be the beta reader. So I went up to him and I said, you know, I read in the book. This is the title, you know, I'm at the process to be read and just get some feedback. Would you be open to reading the book and just give me some feedback and he's like sure absolutely email it to me and I'll get it to you as soon as I can the great. Thanks. I appreciate it.
And as I was walking away that that little you know Nat in your the back of your head and your brain is like Pascal like ask them and so I stopped and I turned around said can I ask you one more thing? I'm sure it said if you like what you read and you feel comfortable. Would you be open to writing the forward to the book? And then there was a pause this very polite pause and I'm thinking I'm screwed. It's over. I open fended him that he doesn't want to read it that you have in your head. You know, like, oh my God, I just screwed it up. Now. He's not even going to want to pay to read it. I should have not done. This is your second guessing yourself. And your we are Our Own Worst Enemy Beyond down probably seemed like it took minutes, right? So yeah in my mind. Ours is like. Yeah, I'm sweating and I don't know perspiring. Like I'm feeling sweat all over my body and nosing he looks at me and smiles said yeah. All right, you're forward. Thank you. Very cool. So that was that was that was my encounter with him and read. You know, I sent him the book that evening. He read it on his flight from Colombia to Israel and within a week he had sent some, you know comments some pointers. And a week and a half later. He sent me the forward to the book. We added it to the book and we were all set to move forward and then the Law changes in Florida because originally although amendment to spoke about using flour and inhaling and smoking flower Senate Bill a day, which was the law that we were under did not allow any smoking.
So in March of 2019 they approved for the smokable to be available. So my book was all set to be like printed ready to roll and the law changed and I pulled everything back nothing. No, I want my book to be as actual. You know, it's true the time as possible. So I added like a few pages to that one chapter and eliminated every part of the book that said smoking is not allowed smoking is illegal in the state of I removed all of that and then we submitted it and it was ready on guess what date for 2020 19 no coincidence there. There you go.
That's great story. What what's the book? What's the focus of the book? I mean I can get an idea from the broad title. But what's inside there what you will first half of the book is like an A to Z for the novice as well as someone that's wanting to get into it.
It get into medical cannabis or just find out about cannabis because when I got involved with cannabis, they weren't that many books. There were a lot of articles but there wasn't anything that I could really like sink my teeth into it and get some information that wasn't written by an advocate or wasn't promoting recreational use, you know, this was more, you know, something medical and I wanted something medical because I'm a physician.
I think that's what I do, you know since the age of 16, I've been in some form of healthcare and prior to the age of 16 when I was a child. I'll I would go to the hospital with my dad who was an x-ray technician at Sloan-Kettering Memorial Hospital in New York and hang out with him and talk to the different doctors in the different, you know Healthcare professionals. So I've been in some aspect of some area of medicine since I was an infant so it brought to light that something medical needed to be available. So the first part, you know, I get into the history, you know, when was originally discovered the law of the prejudices the bigotry the biases and then moving on into the endocannabinoid system in The receptors and the different kind of cannabinoids and how they work in the body and for the different conditions that they were touch a little bit on dosing on mixing different modes of administration to make sure you get the best bang for your buck and then the latter part of the book are is focused on the medical. Conditions that are approved in the State of Florida. So I go into discussing how cannabis works for cancer epilepsy seizures. Glaucoma. HIV/AIDS Crohn's disease chronic muscle spasms. Multiple sclerosis, Lou Gehrig's Disease or ALS PTSD Parkinson's as well as chronic pain, which although chronic pain is not one of the qualifying conditions in the State of Florida. We can maneuver and have the page. To qualify with that diagnosis. So it helps to be able to do stuff like that. So doubt the second part of the book is more stories like you like you mentioned earlier because people gather and learn more from sharing testimonials sharing stories. So I speak of different people that have either worked with or help or people that were in the Limelight like, you know, Charlotte Figi, Charlotte's Web her situation with dravet's and her story of seizures and how her family evolved and even Sanjay Gupta.
Dr. Gupta became a Believer from being someone that was no absolutely not this is there's no benefits this to you know, creating five different document documentaries on cannabis called weed and becoming a huge proponent and advocate for it. So, you know, that's It says something about the plant and how it unites people and how it makes people kind of drop their belief system and open their mind to something greater. So given all that I couldn't agree with you more, but why isn't the endocannabinoid system taught in medical schools?
Oh man, how much time do we have? No? No, you know what? I mean? I I don't know I have my beliefs but I'm I'm looking for some logic like is there any logic to this? Like why do there is no logic? It's improper see and it's greed has a physician as a former medical student and as a former primary care physician We were wined and dined not and my time and my arrow we did not get Kickbacks. We were not taken to Hawaii on a cruise. We did not spend, you know endless summers in Europe or the French Riviera that that's not my store that that didn't happen for me what did happen for me? However it was When I was in training as well as in medical school, we would get books given to us or we would get supplies given to us when we would get you know different areas and whenever they gave it to us inside the book or the equipment or whatever. It had the name of the company that was providing that to me. So there's this. alt program action going on where I'm going to give you something but you're constantly reminded.
Okay, this came from this person who is a representative of XYZ medication and when it comes to clinical trials and research being a schedule 1 drug, we can't use cannabis right now to do clinical trials clinical research. We could use CBD but not the whole plant with some THC. So that blocks The ability to do clinical trials clinical research and you know growing up in New York City in the Bronx, you know money talks bullshit walks, and that's the reality. You know, these guys are coming in with Deep Pockets bringing in x y z, you know x amount of money x amount of dollars for them to study their medications and bring out the next great best thing. And so it's a political component. It's a greed based component. There's a lot of things and And really, how do you how do you monetize or how can you monetize a plant even though there's a patent on it a federal US patent on it yet.
I think about it Michael. Of course, there is by none other than the u.s. Department of Health exactly for things other than pain or neurological issues for neurological diseases. But yet, you know, that is not you know, it's a schedule 1 drug nobody. Your value high level of addiction, but you have a patent on its use the ones that patent expires and were able to monetize it now, you're going to sell it to the highest bidder and then make medications that are in line with synthetics like Marinol order in a banal or Sesame net or worse yet. Create a CPD isolate and charge $32,000 a year for a child that has driven. As or Lennox guest do you know I had a family of four. I'm sorry family of three chip three children, every one of those children was born with that genetic malformation every one of them has dravet's now imagine 32k her child you looking at $100,000 how many people make $100,000 a year to be able to just take all that money and give it to the pharmacy because did not going to eat then I going to pay for their car then I got to pay for the rent because it's $32,000 per child to treat them with this medication that CBD isolate that sold over the counter. Right, it's criminal. Anyway.
Yeah, I did we will just stop with that part of the conversation is I could go all day with you on that and we're trying to be a hopeful like, you know, optimistic
Thanksgiving day and it's thank you for the fact that 33 will know now they've more because there are more states that have Incorporated the use of medical cannabis, so, that's me. Thankful that there are states that have that that there are patients that are able to get this medicine and I no longer have cannabis immigrants where they would sell their livelihood sell everything that they own and would move to California or Colorado because they could get their medication there and they were unable to do so here.
Yeah, well, I think that's great. Dr. Rosado. I think it's a great spot for us to call it a day and let you get back to your business and thank you so much for taking time out for us on this holiday weekend to be and good luck with your book and best of luck to you. Thank you.
Thank to you and as well as your radio listeners, happy holidays, as we enter the holiday season police they safe and healthy because together with the pandemic or also stepping into the loose. Season cold and flu season so that combination can be a recipe for disaster. So please stay safe. Stay healthy and until next year. Peace.
Thank you. Dr. Rosado. Have a great day. you as well sir.
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